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		<title>By: Jennifer W</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jennifer W</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 20:22:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>:) Thanksgiving is so much fun! I think we have developed it as &quot;the holiday,&quot; and about 30 people show up - mostly friends. Thanksgiving is held at my mother-in-laws house, and the past couple years I&#039;ve done the turkey (gourmet it all the time - I like to experiment) and a few other items. My sister-in-law does mostly the desserts, and my mother-in-law cooks too. So, really it is just about the girls.
BUT, with all the guys there, (and we rarely have on the TV and its just music) we get them to cut up vegis and such. It really is a blast. Everyone is helping or talking or even some people dancing and joking around.
Haha, although I do have to pick on my hubby and his best friend/faux brother (faux=a very close to friend). I had been defrosting the turkey in the cold water, changing it out every 30 mins, and my sis-in-law and I had to run an errand. I had my husband and friend keep changing the water for me with the specific instructions for the cold and not hot water. He said they got it. Well, of course as you can guess, we get back and its time to change the water and I check the temp. b/c I wanted to make sure. It was warm.... Well, guess they didn&#039;t &quot;hear&quot; me like they said, and I reminded them what I said only to get, &quot;you didn&#039;t say that!&quot; : ) Good thing I had plenty of witnesses to contradict their contradiction. Best part, someone took a picture of them changing out the water, with very perplexed faces, and our friend reaching for the hot water.  Awesome! :)  Thanksgiving is always the best memories!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p> <img src='http://www.cheeseslave.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  Thanksgiving is so much fun! I think we have developed it as &#8220;the holiday,&#8221; and about 30 people show up &#8211; mostly friends. Thanksgiving is held at my mother-in-laws house, and the past couple years I&#8217;ve done the turkey (gourmet it all the time &#8211; I like to experiment) and a few other items. My sister-in-law does mostly the desserts, and my mother-in-law cooks too. So, really it is just about the girls.<br />
BUT, with all the guys there, (and we rarely have on the TV and its just music) we get them to cut up vegis and such. It really is a blast. Everyone is helping or talking or even some people dancing and joking around.<br />
Haha, although I do have to pick on my hubby and his best friend/faux brother (faux=a very close to friend). I had been defrosting the turkey in the cold water, changing it out every 30 mins, and my sis-in-law and I had to run an errand. I had my husband and friend keep changing the water for me with the specific instructions for the cold and not hot water. He said they got it. Well, of course as you can guess, we get back and its time to change the water and I check the temp. b/c I wanted to make sure. It was warm&#8230;. Well, guess they didn&#8217;t &#8220;hear&#8221; me like they said, and I reminded them what I said only to get, &#8220;you didn&#8217;t say that!&#8221; : ) Good thing I had plenty of witnesses to contradict their contradiction. Best part, someone took a picture of them changing out the water, with very perplexed faces, and our friend reaching for the hot water.  Awesome! <img src='http://www.cheeseslave.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Thanksgiving is always the best memories!</p>
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		<title>By: cheeseslave</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheeseslave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Dec 2008 17:16:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>YAY! You did it! Not sure how you did that but it worked! So yay!

Your are so lucky to have a husband and family who help. I am going to train my kids to do chores for sure.

My husband is not so great about helping BUT he does pay for help. He works crazy hours as a consultant -- probably an average of 80-90 hours per week. At least! He was on a 2-hour conference call this morning at 7 am -- and he goes all day and into the night.

So he pays for a housekeeper to come twice a week and that helps out tremendously.  Of course I work crazy hours, too. If we didn&#039;t have a housekeeper, this house would be a disaster, the laundry would never get done and we&#039;d have a sink full of dishes. 

So I&#039;m very grateful to have her.

But yeah, I&#039;ll have to figure out how to do the holiday thing better...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>YAY! You did it! Not sure how you did that but it worked! So yay!</p>
<p>Your are so lucky to have a husband and family who help. I am going to train my kids to do chores for sure.</p>
<p>My husband is not so great about helping BUT he does pay for help. He works crazy hours as a consultant &#8212; probably an average of 80-90 hours per week. At least! He was on a 2-hour conference call this morning at 7 am &#8212; and he goes all day and into the night.</p>
<p>So he pays for a housekeeper to come twice a week and that helps out tremendously.  Of course I work crazy hours, too. If we didn&#8217;t have a housekeeper, this house would be a disaster, the laundry would never get done and we&#8217;d have a sink full of dishes. </p>
<p>So I&#8217;m very grateful to have her.</p>
<p>But yeah, I&#8217;ll have to figure out how to do the holiday thing better&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kimi @ The Nourishing Gourmet</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kimi @ The Nourishing Gourmet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Dec 2008 19:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey Cheese Slave, 

I like how the Dutch do it. Men and women have their particular duties, but both sexes are willing to jump in and help whenever needed. That&#039;s how it works around my house as well. :-) 

I am definitely &quot;the cook&quot; of the family, but my husband is more than willing to help out, when needed. (and we Paul&#039;s-my maiden name-have a long tradition of the men cleaning up the kitchen when the women cook. My dad always did the dishes for us on holidays). 

I personally think what we are missing is the community of preparation. It&#039;s a lonely job to cook all by yourself all day. But it can be loads of fun to do with family and friends. My sister and I had a lot of fun cooking thanksgiving pies together(and a lot of other stuff), when in high school. We would turn on Christmas music and laugh and talk while our hands were busy preparing food. 

But sometimes I think we get too tired, when we just try to make too much stuff! Keeping it simple can be a good idea too. 

Oh, and one more thing, my husband&#039;s family has the tradition of everyone helping chop up the ingredients for the cranberry salad (nuts, orange, apples, cranberries). It&#039;s a fun family tradition, and doesn&#039;t place all the work on just one person. 

(Yeah, I got to leave a comment on your site *wink*. I&#039;ll email you soon. )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey Cheese Slave, </p>
<p>I like how the Dutch do it. Men and women have their particular duties, but both sexes are willing to jump in and help whenever needed. That&#8217;s how it works around my house as well. <img src='http://www.cheeseslave.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>I am definitely &#8220;the cook&#8221; of the family, but my husband is more than willing to help out, when needed. (and we Paul&#8217;s-my maiden name-have a long tradition of the men cleaning up the kitchen when the women cook. My dad always did the dishes for us on holidays). </p>
<p>I personally think what we are missing is the community of preparation. It&#8217;s a lonely job to cook all by yourself all day. But it can be loads of fun to do with family and friends. My sister and I had a lot of fun cooking thanksgiving pies together(and a lot of other stuff), when in high school. We would turn on Christmas music and laugh and talk while our hands were busy preparing food. </p>
<p>But sometimes I think we get too tired, when we just try to make too much stuff! Keeping it simple can be a good idea too. </p>
<p>Oh, and one more thing, my husband&#8217;s family has the tradition of everyone helping chop up the ingredients for the cranberry salad (nuts, orange, apples, cranberries). It&#8217;s a fun family tradition, and doesn&#8217;t place all the work on just one person. </p>
<p>(Yeah, I got to leave a comment on your site *wink*. I&#8217;ll email you soon. )</p>
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		<title>By: Laura N.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura N.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 20:06:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We also did a GAPS-friendly Thanksgiving at my parents&#039; house. My mom is on an anti-cancer diet, which is so similar to the GAPS diet that it was easy to cook for her. We divided up the tasks: Mom did the organic, free-range turkey and the sweet potatoes and rice (for those who could have those non-GAPS items), I did the coconut flour biscuits-that-turned-into-flatbread (LOL!), crustless pumpkin pie made with coconut milk and honey, and berry soup (cranberries, blackberries, blueberries simmered in a bit of water). Dad carved the turkey and did all the dishes afterward.

It was very unconventional, but we didn&#039;t mind! And cleanup was done by mid-afternoon. I went and took a nap. It may have been a blessing in disguise that we couldn&#039;t eat many foods this year, since we would have gone all out and made all the traditional stuff otherwise, and nearly killed ourselves in the process.

And yeah, I cheated a little. Coconut is not on the intro diet, but I decided to have some anyway. Not a bad enough kind of cheating to feel guilty about. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We also did a GAPS-friendly Thanksgiving at my parents&#8217; house. My mom is on an anti-cancer diet, which is so similar to the GAPS diet that it was easy to cook for her. We divided up the tasks: Mom did the organic, free-range turkey and the sweet potatoes and rice (for those who could have those non-GAPS items), I did the coconut flour biscuits-that-turned-into-flatbread (LOL!), crustless pumpkin pie made with coconut milk and honey, and berry soup (cranberries, blackberries, blueberries simmered in a bit of water). Dad carved the turkey and did all the dishes afterward.</p>
<p>It was very unconventional, but we didn&#8217;t mind! And cleanup was done by mid-afternoon. I went and took a nap. It may have been a blessing in disguise that we couldn&#8217;t eat many foods this year, since we would have gone all out and made all the traditional stuff otherwise, and nearly killed ourselves in the process.</p>
<p>And yeah, I cheated a little. Coconut is not on the intro diet, but I decided to have some anyway. Not a bad enough kind of cheating to feel guilty about. <img src='http://www.cheeseslave.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Carla</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 18:59:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I must be from another planet, but I had no idea there was football on Thanksgiving day. :)  Its just the two of us and neither one of us has large families (his entire family consists of three other people) and no one wanted to travel so we had a couple friends over.  I didnt do a traditional TG dinner - wanted to keep it simple, (local and organic) so I didnt spend all-day in the kitchen. Though I love to cook, I cant imagine doing that unless I&#039;m working in a soup kitchen feeding those in need.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must be from another planet, but I had no idea there was football on Thanksgiving day. <img src='http://www.cheeseslave.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />   Its just the two of us and neither one of us has large families (his entire family consists of three other people) and no one wanted to travel so we had a couple friends over.  I didnt do a traditional TG dinner &#8211; wanted to keep it simple, (local and organic) so I didnt spend all-day in the kitchen. Though I love to cook, I cant imagine doing that unless I&#8217;m working in a soup kitchen feeding those in need.</p>
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		<title>By: cheeseslave</title>
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		<dc:creator>cheeseslave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks everyone for commenting. I&#039;m learning about myself, what I want and don&#039;t want in the future. It&#039;s nice to hear about everyone else&#039;s traditions -- and breaks from traditions.

My husband is not the type to roast a turkey -- and probably never will be. I think I can bank on that. 

I guess maybe in the future we need to hire some help. Or I need to work something out with our friends so I&#039;m not doing so much (usually the case). 

Or we will have to do something unconventional for Thanksgiving -- like Anna did (sounds really fun).

We&#039;ll see...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks everyone for commenting. I&#8217;m learning about myself, what I want and don&#8217;t want in the future. It&#8217;s nice to hear about everyone else&#8217;s traditions &#8212; and breaks from traditions.</p>
<p>My husband is not the type to roast a turkey &#8212; and probably never will be. I think I can bank on that. </p>
<p>I guess maybe in the future we need to hire some help. Or I need to work something out with our friends so I&#8217;m not doing so much (usually the case). </p>
<p>Or we will have to do something unconventional for Thanksgiving &#8212; like Anna did (sounds really fun).</p>
<p>We&#8217;ll see&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Anna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 02:22:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is the first year in a long time that I didn&#039;t cook a big dinner or help with a communal dinner at someone else&#039;s house.  We joined friends at a YMCA family camp event at a cabin campground in the mountains about 1:30 hours from our home.  It was great, especially for those of us who live long distances from our extended families.  

The camp staff cooked all the food, and it was quite good, just about all homemade, right down to homemade ice cream and omelets to order.   There were lots of activities like rock wall climbing, archery, bb target practice, hiking, canoeing, crafts, evening programs with skits, etc.   And no electronics!  Not being consumed with meal prep and cleanup was very liberating.  We are all in agreement that we should do this again next year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is the first year in a long time that I didn&#8217;t cook a big dinner or help with a communal dinner at someone else&#8217;s house.  We joined friends at a YMCA family camp event at a cabin campground in the mountains about 1:30 hours from our home.  It was great, especially for those of us who live long distances from our extended families.  </p>
<p>The camp staff cooked all the food, and it was quite good, just about all homemade, right down to homemade ice cream and omelets to order.   There were lots of activities like rock wall climbing, archery, bb target practice, hiking, canoeing, crafts, evening programs with skits, etc.   And no electronics!  Not being consumed with meal prep and cleanup was very liberating.  We are all in agreement that we should do this again next year.</p>
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		<title>By: Princess Edamame</title>
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		<dc:creator>Princess Edamame</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 29 Nov 2008 01:00:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My father did most of the cooking, Mom did a pie, I did creamed corn and burnt-sugar ice cream, and Sissy did green beans and roasted carrots and parsnips.  Store-bought rolls.  Everything was great.  Daddy did all of the dishes today.  We don&#039;t hold out much for gender roles around here - everyone does the jobs they like best.  And everyone&#039;s equally tired, and satisfied, afterwards.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My father did most of the cooking, Mom did a pie, I did creamed corn and burnt-sugar ice cream, and Sissy did green beans and roasted carrots and parsnips.  Store-bought rolls.  Everything was great.  Daddy did all of the dishes today.  We don&#8217;t hold out much for gender roles around here &#8211; everyone does the jobs they like best.  And everyone&#8217;s equally tired, and satisfied, afterwards.</p>
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