CHEESESLAVE Q & A: January 23, 2011

by Ann Marie Michaels on January 23, 2011

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Palm Oil — Good or Bad?

My question is on palm oil — is it good or bad? Over the last year, as I have made the switch from vegetable oil to using coconut oil and other good fats, I have been using palm oil which I bought through Tropical Traditions since I don’t yet have a good source for lard (since it makes a great substitute for shortening).

In addition, I am an avid label-reader, and on the rare occasions that I do buy something processed or pre-made, I try very hard not to buy something made with vegetable oil. Which was why I was so excited to find that Whole Foods actually has crackers made with palm oil (the ONLY brand I’ve seen that uses palm oil rather than canola or other vegetable oil).

However, I have seen some bloggers mention how horrible palm oil is (seemingly for environmental reasons? I haven’t really researched the topic), but then recently saw you mention palm oil in a more positive light (can’t remember the post, but it did make me wonder if you thought it was okay). It does seem like there are some VERY strong opinions out there on the subject, but I’m not really clear on why it is seen in such a negative light.

Just wondering what your thoughts are on this, thanks!

– Robin

Hi, Robin!

Great questions! I have a lot to say on this matter.

First of all, I have seen a few different brands of crackers and cookies at Whole Foods, and yes, I buy them, too. In fact, I have some Wasa crackers that I really love that are made with palm oil.

Palm oil is a very healthy oil, as long as it is not hydrogenated. You can read the label to find out if the palm oil is hydrogenated. If it is, don’t eat it.

As far as the environment is concerned, there are many issues regarding the environmental sustainability of palm oil.

One of the issues is that large palm oil companies are clearcutting land to produce more crops. You can read more about the environmental impacts of palm oil in this article on Wikipedia: Environmental Impact of Palm Oil.

Clearcutting for palm oil

The problem is that big food companies have to save money on ingredients in order to compete. It would be hard for a huge food corporation to use a truly sustainable fat — for example, grass-fed butter from small farms. Partly because their competitors are using cheaper oils and fats — and also because let’s face it, most people who are brainwashed to eat low-fat don’t want butter in their crackers.

What’s the solution? Like any food we buy, we need to know the grower. Any time you buy an industrial food that comes from a huge multinational corporation, or that uses ingredients from a multinational corporation, you just don’t know what you are getting.

The best choice is to make your own crackers with grass-fed butter from small farms and freshly sprouted, freshly ground whole grain flour. It’s so easy to make your own crackers. Here’s my recipe: Sprouted Whole Wheat Crackers. (My recipe also uses coconut oil — I buy a brand of coconut oil that is sustainably produced.)

I’m very busy these days and have little time to spend in the kitchen. So I’ve started asking our housekeeper to make sprouted flour crackers for us. She does it every couple weeks — and it keeps us in crackers!

That said, when we run out, I like to have cracker back ups.

There’s another brand of cracker called Ak-Mak that I often buy from Trader Joe’s — we like them just as much as the Wasa brand. And they are made with butter and sesame oil. Since I usually go to TJ’s, it’s easy for me to pick up Ak-Mak, and that is what I will buy unless for some reason I really need crackers and don’t want to run to two different stores.

Does this mean I will stop buying my Wasa crackers with palm oil? No. I will still buy them on occasion. But I buy Ak-Mak when I can. I do the best I can, but I’m not perfect. And I don’t think any of us should strive for perfection.

I also want to share with you this quote from Sally Fallon Morell regarding palm oil and the environment:

Palm oil comes from the palm fruit, a highly oily fruit, which is basically the olive oil of the tropics, a healthful, stable oil, mostly saturated and monosaturated. Only a low level of technology is required to get the oil out of the fruit. We have been advocating for years the use of palm oil in processed foods, which is not to say we advocate processed foods, but if an industrial oil is to be used, the most healthful one is palm oil.

I don’t like the fact that it’s being grown in big plantations any more than I like the fact that olive oil is being grown in big plantations. But the most environmentally destructive oil is soybean oil. Our entire Great Plains area has been sacrificed to soybeans—for margarine and shortening and salad oil. If you have a choice of buying a cookie that’s made with palm oil or soybean oil, you’ll want the cookie with palm oil. On the environmental level it’s probably the same as any of the other industrial oils.

I think the goal insofar as palm oil is concerned is the same as for any commercial oil: to make sure we’re using the healthful ones. That means olive oil, palm oil, and coconut oil. We need to figure out some way for them to be produced on a small scale, and that is definitely going to be the hardest to do in the case of palm.

Butter and Trans-fat?

My question is about butter and trans-fat. It is repeated inNourishing Traditionsand other book and in the media that trans-fat is bad and should be avoid, but it is found in butter and other dairy. But NT says butter is a good fat, so I’m confused, is there a difference between the trans-fat found in butter and the trans-fat found in hydrogenated vegetable oils or are they the same thing?

– Bonnie

This question was already answered on the blog by reader, Amy B., who really said it all — thanks, Amy!

“You might be referring to the *naturally occurring* trans fats in truly pastured dairy products, especially butter. This is CLA, “conjugated linoleic acid,” and many studies have shown it to be beneficial to health as well as fat loss — specifically around the belly and hips.

“While this is technically/chemically a “trans fat” it occurs naturally in ruminant animals consuming species-appropriate diets (i.e., cows on grass). The trans bonds are not created because of wacky/dangerous chemical processes in a lab or factory.

“CLA is not just in dairy, though. You’ll also find it in the meat from pastured ruminant animals. I’ve heard that meat from feedlot animals will also contain some CLA, but nowhere near as much as if they were on grass/hay.

“Like so many other nutrients, modern diets are woefully lacking in CLA. There are supplements out there, but I think they mostly come from seed or some type of vegetable oils. Seems to me that if you’re eating mostly grass-fed beef and dairy, you probably don’t need supplementation, especially if your intake of omega-6 from vegetable oils is generally low.”

– Amy B.

Click here to read more about CLA on Wikipedia.

Germinated Brown Rice and Beef Suet?

1. I saw some germinated brown rice at my local Costco last week and was wondering if that might be a good alternative for those people (like myself) who aren’t quite organized enough to soak rice ahead of time?

2. I bought some beef suet from a local butcher. Can I cook with that as-is, or do I need to render it first? And why do some fats need to be rendered?

– awiesner

Germinated brown rice is essentially soaked rice. According to Wikipedia:

A nutritionally superior method of preparation using GABA rice or germinated brown rice (GBR) (also known as Hatsuga genmai in Japan), developed during the International Year of Rice, may be used. This involves soaking washed brown rice for 20 hours in warm water (38 °C or 100 °F) prior to cooking it. This process stimulates germination, which activates various enzymes in the rice. By this method, it is possible to obtain a more complete amino acid profile, including GABA.

However, soaking rice is not the same as fermenting it. According to Stephan of the Whole Health Source blog, soaking rice does very little to reduce the phytic acid.

In this post, Stephan explains how he soaks (ferments) his brown rice. (I’ve started doing mine that way, too!)

I buy sprouted rice online. You can find it on my resources page (it is a new product from To Your Health Sprouted Flour): http://villagegreennetwork.com/marketplace/flours-grains-legumes?pid=1″ target=”_blank”

Ideally, you would want to sprout and ferment your rice, but doing one or the other is pretty good. But I’m not sure if plain soaked rice (germinated) is worth it.

On to the beef suet…

Beef suet (or fat) does need to be rendered. According to Wikipedia:

Rendering is a process that converts waste animal tissue into stable, value-added materials. Rendering can refer to any processing of animal byproducts into more useful materials, or more narrowly to the rendering of whole animal fatty tissue into purified fats like lard or tallow. Rendering can be carried out on an industrial, farm, or kitchen scale.

If you’ve ever seen beef fat, it’s just a big hunk of white fat. I don’t know what you could use it for as is. Eating it would be pretty nasty.

When you render it, you let it melt down into a liquid and you discard the solids. Rendered beef fat (or tallow) can be used for frying or baking.

Here’s my post on How to Render Beef Tallow.

Water Kefir Grains?

I have a question about water kefir grains. When I first got them they were beautiful and clear, almost like shattered glass. But now they are opaque and a sort of pink color. I usually put in some spring water, raw sugar and dried fruit (mostly figs, but occasionally cranberries, dried blueberries, raisins or dried apples). I have also added, but only on a few occasions, a slice of ginger or lemon, and twice, a well rinsed egg shell. I’ve read that it might be because of mineral overload and that using refined white sugar might help.

So the past few weeks, I’ve been using refined sugar, and only putting a dried fig in it every other time. It does finally seem to be proliferating now, though only a little. But the color still hasn’t changed. It still seems to be working and making delicious water kefir, but the grains just don’t look right and I’m worried that this is a sign that I’m doing something wrong.

Is this normal?

– Michele

Well, I don’t know about “normal”. After all, fermentation is an art, not an exact science.

I have found water kefir grains to be rather finicky — at least much more so than kombucha, or even dairy kefir grains. I don’t seem to be able to kill my dairy kefir grains, and my kombucha scoby is absolutely indestructible. My water kefir grains are a bit more delicate.

Part of my problem is that I don’t ferment my water kefir often enough. I do it infrequently — because we tend to have more than enough kombucha to drink. So my water kefir grains are a bit tired.

I do think yours might have gotten a bit down-in-the-dumps because they weren’t getting refined sugar. Mine do tend to do better on refined white sugar (we only keep the white sugar in the house for kombucha and water kefir).

Another thing that I’ve heard that really helps is pineapple juice or other fruit juice. One of these days, I’ll give it a shot — put my water kefir grains in some pineapple juice with refined white sugar.

I also use an egg shell to impart minerals to the kefir grains.

Note: to revive tired kefir grains, it may take a week or more of daily fermenting. Give it some time and see if the juice and white sugar help.

Best Fermented Foods for Beginners?

For those with very sensitive guts/bodies, what would you recommend in the way of fermented foods that are very gentle and typically tolerable by most?

I guess I ask as my first foray into ferments by way of sauerkraut was “interesting‚” shall we say! I think it may have been the high sulphur/amines/histamine that put my body in a bit of a spin! Rather than abandon my testing, I was wondering if something more tolerable might be possible to start with.

– Matt

If your gut still needs a lot of healing, it’s best to go slow with the fermented foods. Some people can only handle a teaspoon of sauerkraut per day (you can just use sauerkraut juice if you like) at first. Slowly add a little more each day, until you can tolerate it.

As far as which fermented foods are the easiest to digest, I would say sauerkraut, kimchi, kombucha, water kefir — anything of vegetable or fruit origin. If you have dairy allergies, I’d steer clear of dairy-based ferments in the beginning.

Of course, you should be doing an elimination diet, a la GAPS — http://www.gapsdiet.com — in order to heal your gut. If you are trying to heal your gut and you’re still eating things you are incapable of digesting (i.e., dairy or gluten, or whole grains or sugar), you won’t recover very fast, if at all.

Studying Nutrition?

I am looking at the possibility of returning to school to become a nutritionist in 2 to 3 years, when both of my children will be graduated from homeschool. As a nutritionist who adheres to the principles of Weston A. Price, which schools/programs would you recommend (I would need to complete it online or through correspondence)? I do not feel the need to become a dietitian, largely because my research has led me to believe that the nutrition education for that is quite outdated. I am more interested in helping people than I am of developing a grand career within the mainstream medical model.

My husband and I have spent some time in South Africa working with AIDS orphans and malnutrition is a huge factor with that population group (as with most poor South Africans). We are very open to returning with a (hopefully) greater skill set that would enable us to accomplish more. I love learning about nutrition for its own sake, but I think to increase my knowledge could contribute further to helping children and others suffering from malnutrition and the many related effects of that (stunted growth, impaired immunity, decreased cognitive function, etc…).

– Jill

Wonderful! We need more people like you out there helping people.

I think this post on the Weston A. Price Foundation website by Dr. Kaayla Daniel will answer your questions: FAQ: Studying Nutrition

Artisan Bread vs. Soaked Bread?

I am on GAPS right now (it’s been 7 months) and so obviously I am not eating bread. But I have a question concerning the technique that I have been using in the past and hope to use again once we are off GAPS.

I was using the Artisan Bread in 5 Minutes a Day method. Are you familiar with it?

Basically, they describe their method as a lazy sourdough… because you mix the flour, water, salt and yeast (don’t knead) and then store it in the fridge for up to 2 weeks… You make a huge batch and take the dough as you need throughout the week.

So my question is: Does this method seem appropriate for preparing grains? The dough is left slowly fermenting in the fridge and has a light sourdough taste when baked. Obviously, this is not anything like soaking, sprouting, dehydrating and grinding but could it be considered soaked flour? I love how EASY this method is and I was baking bread for a lot of my friends before GAPS.

Just wondering what your take on this method is, nutritionally speaking.

– Natalia

Hi, Natalia. Great question!

Yes, I am familiar with this method and yes, you could say it is a form of soaked bread. Kind of.

The problem with their method is they are using commercial yeast.

As you probably know, whole grains are preferable to refined grains because refined grains have very little nutrients remaining. However, whole grains contain anti-nutrients including phytates and enzyme inhibitors.

Phytates bind with calcium, zinc, iron, magnesium and other nutrients and actually block absorption of these nutrients. Soaking, sprouting and/or fermentation of grains reduce the content of phytates and enzyme inhibitors.

Sourdough fermentation reduces the phytate content to a much greater extent than yeast. Bread made with whole grain flour and commercial yeast leaves the phytates and enzyme inhibitors mostly intact, which greatly reduces the nutrients available from the bread.

There are other problems with rapid rise breads made with commercial yeast, related to gluten and starch. Here’s an excerpt from an excellent article I found that explains it very well:

There are two other problems with rapidly made bread: gluten, which comprises about 80% of the protein in wheat, and starch digestion. Gluten is found in the endosperm complexed with starch, and is what gives yeast bread its elasticity, or ability to rise. In fact, extra gluten is often added to yeast bread for this purpose. A far greater amount of gluten is now present in regular yeast breads, both white and whole grain, since it is found in the endosperm, possibly leading to the steep rise in gluten intolerance that has occurred recently. Only when wheat gluten is properly broken down into amino acids by fermentation is it healthy for human consumption. If not, it is potentially one of the most highly allergenic foods we eat, since it can pass whole into the blood. During sourdough bread-making gluten is hydrolyzed by proteases during the acidification that occurs from the microorganisms that are present in sourdough culture. Gluten is not so important for structure in fermented breads as it is in ‘regular’ bread. The increased contents of water-soluble polysaccharides (chains of sugar molecules) in sourdough fermented bread dough compared to straight dough contribute to the water absorption and gas retention (rising) capacities of the dough, as observed in rye baking.

The other aspect of regular yeast breads compared with sourdough is the body’s reaction to the starch. Being finely ground, the starch in both white and whole wheat bread is quickly broken down into glucose in the digestive tract and absorbed into the blood stream, causing a rapid rise in blood glucose and resultant insulin. It has been shown that the acids formed during sourdough fermentation retard the outpouring of glucose into the bloodstream and lower the insulin response. (Source)

Now, can you use the Artisan 5 Minute a Day method with sourdough starter instead of commercial yeast? Although I haven’t tried it yet, I don’t see why not. I have made beautiful no-knead sourdough bread (click for the recipe). But I haven’t let it ferment in the fridge like that. I’m anxious to try it!

A friend of mine makes sourdough pizza dough in this fashion. We also have a baker here in Los Angeles who ferments his bread dough for up to a month in the fridge.

I’ll be teaching a class on preparing grains this April. I will be sure to incorporate this method into my class. It will be fun to experiment with it!

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Cara January 23, 2011 at 5:23 PM

Oh my goodness, this was like a nutrition class in a post! I’m going to look forward to more of this series- you’re answering questions I didn’t know I had :)

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cheeseslave January 23, 2011 at 5:32 PM

Thanks Cara! I got a lot of great questions.

More to come next week!

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Tropical Traditions January 23, 2011 at 5:49 PM

Since Tropical Traditions was mentioned as the source of the palm oil, it is helpful to read what is on our website in regards to our palm oil and the environmental concerns:

Palm oil comes from a tropical palm tree (elaeis guineensis – NOT the same as coconut palm trees), which is native to the tropical areas of Africa, where it grows wild. It is a traditional oil used for more than 5000 years in African countries, where small-scale family farms flourish. The palm oil palm was introduced to South East Asia in the early 1900s, and Malaysia is now the world leader in exports of palm oil (Tropical Traditions does NOT source palm oil from there.) Being an introduced crop to Asia, they are mainly harvested from large plantations. Tropical Traditions Virgin Palm Oil comes from West Africa, NOT South East Asia. Our Virgin Palm Oil is produced by small-scale family producers in Africa that are certified organic. When you purchase Tropical Traditions Virgin Palm Oil, you are supporting small scale family producers in Africa, and NOT large corporate plantations in South East Asia. Read the history of Palm Oil here: http://www.tropicaltraditions.com/history_of_palm_oil.htm

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cheeseslave January 23, 2011 at 8:42 PM

Thanks, Tropical Traditions.

Once again, as I always stress, it’s important to know the producer.

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Sara C. January 23, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Regarding: Artisan Bread vs. Soaked Bread

There is a book called “200 Fast and Easy Artisan Breads” by Judith Fertig that is a very similar technique to the “Artisan Bread in Five Minutes a Day” book. On page #230 there is a recipe for using this technique with sourdough starter (no yeast) to make bread. It’s called “Master Recipe #9 Easy Artisan Naturally Leavened Dough”.

http://www.amazon.com/200-Fast-Easy-Artisan-Breads/dp/0778802116/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1295833476&sr=8-5

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cheeseslave January 23, 2011 at 8:43 PM

@ Sara C Wonderful! Thank you so much!

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Chanelle January 23, 2011 at 7:28 PM

Re: nutrition schools
I have been looking into this some, and of the three schools I’ve scoped out, The institute for integrative nutrition seems to be the most open minded. They study Sally Fallon & WAP, and a lot of other things as well. Definitely worth checking out!

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cheeseslave January 23, 2011 at 8:43 PM

Thank you, Chanelle!

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Amy Love @ Real Food Whole Health January 23, 2011 at 9:17 PM

I would have to highly recommend the Nutritional Therapy Association. http://www.nutritionaltherapy.com I searched and searched for nutrition schools, especially those that would echo the WAPF paradigm. IIN (institute of integrative nutrition) does have a lecture or two on WAPF diets, but also on many others, including those that espouse a low-fat mantra. Plus, you are not a nutritionist with an IIN education, you are a health coach. There are many IINers that then have to go through other programs, like the one by NTA. Just my two cents. I would be happy to answer any more questions about the education offered at the NTA if you will email me. I can’t say enough positive things about my time with that school.

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cheeseslave January 24, 2011 at 6:45 AM

Thanks, Amy! :-)

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Amy B. January 25, 2011 at 8:59 AM

I second the boost for the Nutritional Therapy Association.

I looked into both Hawthorn University and Clayton College, because both had what I considered “holistic”/alternative approaches to nutrition, health, and wellness. Clayton College is now out of business, in case any of you hadn’t heard. Hawthorn was a sponsor of the 2010 WAPF Conference, and obviously they’re on board with whole-food nutrition, nutrient-dense foods, and the importance of proper digestion.

In fact, I would have chosen Hawthorn for myself, but I’m a military veteran, and in order to qualify for some of the education benefits, I could only attend a fully accredited institution. Most of the online programs out there are *not* accredited by an official regional accrediting body. This may or may not be an issue for you. (Honestly, I didn’t really care, and I would have preferred Hawthorn, but in order to get my tuition paid for, I had to go to a more mainstream institution.) If you’re just looking to get a good education and be able to help people–especially if you’re planning to go back to Africa and help there, rather than in the U.S., where the laws are extremely wonky and vary from state to state, I’d say the NTA would be a great way to go.

For me, I had to find a fully accredited program, and the only online one I found was the University of Bridgeport. While they’re certainly not 100% in line with WAPF principles, they offer “real” master’s degrees in human nutrition. (This is the program I’ve chosen.) If you’re just looking to get licensed in some fashion, there are a number of programs out there. Bridgeport offers a master’s degree, and the degree then makes you eligible to test for the CCN (certified clinical nutritionist) or CNS (certified nutrition specialist) certifications, which are two of the “gold standards” in the industry. (In fact, I *found* Bridgeport from an article in Wise Traditions. I think Ann Marie posted a link above — the one by Kaayla Daniel.)

For what you’re looking to do (nutrition counseling), it doesn’t sound like you’d need a master’s degree or one of the better-known certifications. That being said, if you *do* want to work more in the U.S., it helps to have a degree or license from a reputable school/authority. The question is what *you* would consider to be “reputable.” You can definitely help people eat better and get well without any official credentials. IMHO, you could probably read Nourishing Traditions and know more about health and food than most doctors.

One more thing, and then I promise I’ll duck out of here. Check out the IIN website to find out about their approach. Like Amy said above, they do have a few classes about WAPF principles, but they also have lectures on raw food diets, macrobiotics, low fat, vegan, etc. I’m not very familiar with IIN, but from a quick perusal of the website, it looks like they mainly support the idea of biochemical individuality — which most of us agree with — but their idea of that includes some people thriving best on an all raw or vegan diet, etc.

Sorry I rambled on and on. Just wanted to give some insight.

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Bobby Khan January 23, 2011 at 8:31 PM

Another great Q&A thank you :)

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Anne January 24, 2011 at 10:36 AM

Thanks for all these brilliant answers! I hope to be able to try sprouted bread some time in the future, nice to get educated first – it’s a real chore, so it’s great that you are sharing what you’ve found. Thanks again :-)

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Trevor January 24, 2011 at 12:36 PM

What a great idea this Q&A is…. Thanks so much for doing this.

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Laura McElfresh January 24, 2011 at 3:53 PM

Love the info .. One of my goals for the year is to add more soaked grain and sprouted grain recipes to our diet. We allready use primarily whole grains in all our baking, baby steps you know. I was going to mention that when we make our venison sausage I add beef suet to it sometimes as venison is soo lean that it needs added fats.

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cheeseslave January 24, 2011 at 6:03 PM

Yum! Venison sausage!

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hannah January 25, 2011 at 1:16 AM

My water kefir seems to stay sweeter than I like so I’ve just been letting it go longer and longer. I wonder if white sugar would speed up that process?

Anyway, another really informative and great post! Like Cara said I feel like I just finished a class. :)

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cheeseslave January 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM

I think it would speed it up yes

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Elise January 25, 2011 at 5:24 AM

thanks for the info on water kefir….mine has limped along and I wasn’t sure why .. I will try the pineapple juice….does it need to be fresh?

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cheeseslave January 25, 2011 at 6:48 AM

No it doesn’t need to be fresh

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Jill January 25, 2011 at 1:17 PM

I’m taking the gnowfglins e-course for sourdough bread right now and there is a recipe and lesson on making the No -knead style bread. I’ve made two sucessfuly loaves from it. I had more success using their recipe with a higher temperature and starting in a cold oven though. But I highly recommend the course! http://gnowfglins.com/ecourse/

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Joanna January 25, 2011 at 5:31 PM

Just wanted to mention that the gnowfglins sourdough e-course has a lesson based on artisan bread in five minutes a day, including variations for english muffins and cinnamon rolls. i had pretty good success with the method, though after 2 days in the fridge it does get VERY sour. so it’s not quite as convenient as the original method but still worth a shot!

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Hannah January 26, 2011 at 7:56 AM

Hi, I already asked you a question about any updates you have about iodine supplementation. I wanted to add two specific questions:

To clarify, is it best to get your adrenal function/thyroid function and iodine levels checked before supplementing? I noticed the iodoral website says that it can be counter-productive to supplement if your levels are already good.

Also, do you know if the dried anchovies sold through Radiant Life are a source for iodine?
Thank you.

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cheeseslave January 26, 2011 at 11:38 PM

@Hannah

I do think it’s a good idea to have your hormone and iodine levels checked before supplementing. Ideally, work with a doctor (naturopathic or the like) on this.

Dried anchovies will have some iodine, sure. However you’d have to eat a LOT — I mean a LOT — if you are really deficient.

You can get a good amount of iodine if you eat a lot of seafood and seaweed — but it’s hard to know how much you need — or how deficient you are.

Quite possibly the best food source of iodine is homemade fish stock made from whole fish (I use whole Thai snapper but you can use most any non-oily fish) with the heads on. The heads contain the thyroid glands, which is where the iodine is stored.

Another way to get iodine is to consume thyroid glands from animals.

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Hannah January 28, 2011 at 8:53 AM

Thanks, that is helpful.

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Amy Love@Real Food Whole Health January 29, 2011 at 5:21 PM

Hannah,

Be cautious with iodine. It is extremely important to test first, of course, like mentioned above. Then, it’s important to go slowly IF iodine is indicated as you can have a huge reaction when iodine displaces other halogens (like flouride or bromine- which many people are toxic in). Additionally, with auto-immune thyroid conditions, like Hashimoto’s, iodine is suspected to actually worsen the problem. That being said, I am an advocate for iodine supplementation, specifically iodine rich foods (like A-M mentioned above) when indicated as helpful. Speak with a knowledgeable doctor, naturopath or nutritional therapist to help you with this. I’d be happy to answer any questions or consult with you as well.

Good luck!
Amy :)

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cheeseslave January 29, 2011 at 6:52 PM

You will know if you overdose on the iodine. Hot flashes, dizziness, sweating, chronic fatigue. It is very obvious.

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Amy Love@Real Food Whole Health January 29, 2011 at 7:34 PM

True, although when it happened to me, I didn’t even know it was a possibility. I had done the test to make sure I was deficient (and I was VERY deficient) but I wasn’t warned by anyone about side effects and even my doctor didn’t know what was wrong when my husband called him in a panic. I was hallucinating and just “went dumb”- couldn’t speak, think or anything. It was obvious that something was wrong, but no one knew what, and I was in no condition to even be present. A stroke was suspected for a few minutes! I had a very severe reaction because I had SO much flouride and bromine to detox. It also came on extremely suddenly- about a day into taking Iodoral. Strange stuff! Matt was on top of it once he discovered the link and started me on salt flushes. It was really alarming. I had to stop taking it and then start again with one tablet for a day then build back up to the four. Lesson learned. I do have several clients that use it successfully. It’s just a matter of some debate in auto-immune cases….

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Hannah January 30, 2011 at 1:20 PM

Thanks Amy, I will definitely proceed with caution. I may just start using seaweed and fish broth in earnest first and see if I notice a difference in how I feel.

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Hannah January 28, 2011 at 9:07 AM

I also have questions about pre-conception and pregnancy nutrition and supplementation. It sounds like you are planning to get pregnant again and I would love to know what types of supplements/vitamins you feel are important.

I don’t feel great about using typical multi-vitamins or isolated vitamins, but wouldn’t want to gamble with the health of the baby. I used to make sure I took folic acid every day, but I don’t now. It does seem impossible to eat enough greens to get the recommended amount of folate.

Is this a necessary supplement for the child-bearing years in your opinion?

Is there such thing as a natural folate supplement as opposed to synthetic folic acid?

I would actually love to see a whole post on your pre-conception nutrition plan.
Thanks so much!

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cheeseslave January 29, 2011 at 4:47 PM

Thanks Hannah – great questions – I will answer them in an upcoming Q & A post.

Great idea about the pre-conception nutrition plan post. I will do that!

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Hannah January 30, 2011 at 1:16 PM

Fantastic! There is so much overwheming info on WAPF website recommendations and it would be lovely to see sample meal plans for the day/week and show how you met all your nutritional needs. Thanks!

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