New Podcast: Matt Stone from 180 Degree Health

by Ann Marie Michaels on March 3, 2010

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Matt Stone of 180 Degree Health

I had a wonderful time chatting with fellow traditional food blogger, Matt Stone, author of the 180 Degree Health blog.

Matt Stone is a blogger as well as an author, currently working on his fifth ebook. He’s a voracious and enthusiastic researcher and is a self-described “dietary adventurer, having done everything from vegan diets to zero-carb and his highly controversial but well-recieved ‘high-everything diet.”

Matt is also a former professional chef and is able to convey a lot of great information to his followers in videos and blogs on how to make a healthy diet practical, something he sees as being vitally important, as he strongly feels that the battle of health vs. disease is won and lost in the kitchen.

We had such an interesting discussion, we went over and talked for close to an hour and a half. I think you’ll enjoy it as much as I did — click below to listen or download.

Matt Stone of 180 Degree Health

Listen to the Podcast: Matt Stone from 180 Degree Health

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Elizabeth @ The Nourished Life March 3, 2010 at 12:32 PM

Awesome podcast, possibly one of the best I’ve listened to recently. You guys covered so much ground! Thanks for the shout-out about my milk diet adventure. I think the low omega-6 content of real raw milk has a lot to do with why this diet has so many benefits (not to mention the fact that it’s incredibly nurtient dense!).

Ann-Marie, I think the world could use a comeback of the old raw milk cure retreats. Can you imagine a get-away where all you did was relax and drink raw milk for a few weeks? Talk about being pampered from the inside out.
.-= Elizabeth @ The Nourished Life´s last blog ..Multimedia Monday: Raw Milk Diet Cure Day 18, Podcast Update, Improved Inflammation and More! =-.


Ron Stone March 3, 2010 at 4:16 PM

Excellent and cutting edge information from you guys!!

Keep up the good work, we need this kind of indepth analysis on a continous basis.


elise abrams miller March 3, 2010 at 6:08 PM

Loved listening to this during work today. I only recently learned about real nutritious eating (Weston Price, SOLE food…) after reading the Vegetarian Myth. So glad to have discovered your blogs in my quest for more knowledge, and now even more inspired to be a politically incorrect eater. Bought raw milk for the first time today, and so far so good, and SO delicious. Such great info presented in such a SANE way. Looking forward to more!
.-= elise abrams miller´s last blog ..well now this blog post does contain meat. but it’s organic, sustainably farmed and grass-fed. =-.


Benjamin Skipper March 3, 2010 at 6:26 PM

What’s up with the pig head? Particularly his eye.


John H March 3, 2010 at 7:53 PM

Do you have an actual podcast feed for the new ‘cast? The BTR one doesn’t have this episode, nor does the feed I found on iTunes.


Rachelle March 3, 2010 at 8:29 PM

Awesome! Just found his blog recently, and I love it. I appreciate that he researches without an agenda; although I am pretty much committed to WAPF ideas, it’s important to get information from people who are willing to follow wherever the facts lead. Look forward to listening to the podcast.


Michael March 3, 2010 at 9:21 PM

Thanks Ann Marie for the interview and thanks to both of you for the shout out. :-)

Well done.
.-= Michael´s last blog ..Flash! Omega 6 (LA) and Omega 3 (ALA) Are Not Essential Fatty Acids =-.


cheeseslave March 3, 2010 at 10:01 PM

Hi, John!

It’s almost set up. I’m going to have it all set up so you can easily subscribe on iTunes.

Was tryin’ to get it all set up early this morning (I got up at 2:30 am to get this post up — AKKK) but didn’t finish.

Look for it by next week!


cheeseslave March 3, 2010 at 10:09 PM

@ Benjamin

The pig’s head is one of Matt’s promotional pictures. I love that pic! I think it perfectly expresses Matt’s personality. He’s so in your face — but in a good way. :-) He’s like — here I am, take me or leave me.

I also like that the pig’s head shows the truth. This is where the meat comes from. From the pig! Like when you go to Paris and you see skinned rabbits in the windows of the butcher shops. Or when you go to Spain and then have pigs legs hanging all around in every restaurant.

I also think Matt is all about the truth. He doesn’t even mind being wrong himself — he’s just always searching for what is real and authentic. I admire that.

Lastly, I like that the pig’s head photo shows an obviously very healthy, well-toned body in the background — to me, it says, eat real food and be healthy.


Sarah March 4, 2010 at 12:20 AM

Loved this so, so much – thank you! I just found his blog a few weeks ago and have had a few email exchanges with him. He is so kind and so devoted to the research, which I admire. He featured my health story on his blog a few posts ago (“Sarah Braun vs. Rocky Balboa”). I really enjoy his quirky personality and LOVE the research he comes across. I think it’s absolutely in the spirit of Weston A. Price. This podcast was even more informative for me and I loved hearing him spout off recent research. I am about done reading the book by Mark Starr he recommended to me. Good stuff. You’re doing a great job with the podcasts, Ann Marie!


Jeanmarie March 8, 2010 at 5:50 PM

I’d love to listen to this if there were a way to download the podcast. Your “click here to download” button doesn’t actually download, it just starts playing the podcast in a screen that’s blank except for a control bar. I can’t stand to sit at my computer and listen to stuff, I’d rather listen on my iPod. Any way to do that from here? I’m having trouble getting shows I’ve subscribed to in the iTunes store to update their offerings lately.
.-= Jeanmarie´s last blog ..Equipment for Juicing: Pulverizing vs Extracting =-.


cheeseslave March 10, 2010 at 6:37 PM

Hi, Jeanmarie!

So sorry it took me a while to respond. I had strep throat last week.

OK, so here’s what you do. I’m guessing you are on a Mac? Is that right?

Go to the blank screen that shows the control bar. Wait until it fully loads. When it’s done loading, click on the little upside down triangle on the right-hand side of the control bar. You will see an option, “Save as Source”. That will allow you to save the mp3 to your hard drive.

I know, not exactly obvious.

I think with PC you have to “right-click” the link.

I will make this more clear on future podcast posts.

And I’ll also set it up so you can subscribe in iTunes, too. I just haven’t had time to get it set up — too busy!


Jagrati March 11, 2010 at 12:16 PM

Ann Marie, Love both you and Matt for the fabulous info you provide. Found it interesting that Matt said Weston Price really looked for vegetarians in his research. Did he go to India? I don’t recall from his book that he did and I am most interested to know if anyone ever researched traditional Hindus and their vegetarian diet. Price’s research indicates that all trad peps had animal food and fermented foods in their diet, and I know Ghee and paneer plus fermented lentils and rice played a big part (well I’m guessing) in their diet. I really would love some more info on this type of diet and find little info on WAP website. I would love to find a way to stop eating animals but maintain fabulous health. Do you or any of your readers have any imput on this? Cheers! Jagrati


cheeseslave March 12, 2010 at 1:31 AM

@ Jagrati

First off, hello! Hope you are well.

From what I have read about Dr. Price, he found that the people who ate a “mixed” diet were the healthiest. Meaning a combination of meat and/or dairy and vegetables/grains. This is interesting to me because it goes against the paleo ideal. Although all the people he studied were optimally healthy — from the Eskimos eating whale and seal fat and raw fish to the Swiss who ate 1/2 of their diet as sprouted/soaked rye bread and 1/2 raw dairy — and they ate calves liver about once a week.

I have personally met vegetarians from India who have perfect teeth. They grew up eating no meat — but they ate lots of grass-fed dairy, particularly ghee. They also ate pastured eggs.

So I think it is possible to be vegetarian and be optimally healthy. I personally think though that we must include dairy and eggs from pastured animals


Vida March 12, 2010 at 11:07 AM

Jagrati, I am from Matt Stone’s and he was just recently saying that his eating plan is high enough in protein (even without meat) because of the high calories consumed. If you don’t want to eat any meat but still eat cheese, yogurt, milk, and maybe eggs, along with legumes and proteins in grains and veggies, I think you would definitely be getting enough protein. Plus, dairy proteins are very low in omega 6 so you would have an advantage there. Also, if you are still worried you could eat fish or chicken maybe like once per week.
You know, I have read much about the health in India. Heart disease is quite prevalent in India even though most are vegetarians and also I believe that the Muslim Indians outlive the Hindu Indians by quite a bit. Of course, I don’t think this has anything to do with eating or not eating meat, I think there are many other factors involved. My husband and mother in law are from India and my hubby says that most people, especially in the South, eat Dalda, which is hydrogenated vegetable oil, because it is much cheaper than ghee. Also, I have noticed in the Indian grocery stores that most all prepared foods like snacks or freezer items, are made with hydrogenated vegetable oils too. I know many Indian people here in the U.S. and I don’t know anyone who ferments their lentils or other grains. To make dosas or idli they all use box mixes and to make curries they all use box mixes too, which contain artificial ingredients and possibly food coloring. Spice pastes, which are very popular, are all made with junk soy or corn oil. It seems like most all parents give their children those sweet powder formulas too, even when they are older. I have noticed the Indians I know eat a lot of soy and junk food too. Plus, everyone uses a pressure cooker. My mother in law cannot make anything without it, she even uses it to make popcorn. I think the pressure cooker damages foods quite a bit and it seems like most everyone in India uses it. I guess just like every country these days, nobody is eating a traditional diet anymore.
Anyways, definitely check out Matt Stone’s site. There is a ton of info there.


cheeseslave March 14, 2010 at 1:38 PM

@ Vida

Interesting! It is true, industrial food is spreading all over the world like a cancer.

I think some Indians do still eat ghee. And the ghee in India, from what I have been told, does come from cows on pasture.

I met a guy at Expo West this weekend who said his mother in India still ships him Indian ghee every few months, which he cooks with and feeds to his family. He had a product line that he uses canola oil in (have to sell to the American public, and adding ghee would have given it too high of a fat content, he said), but at home he cooks with ghee.


Jagrati March 17, 2010 at 2:01 PM

Hey Ann Marie
Appreciate your comments so much, all good news to me, though I didn’t realize that Hindu vegetarians ate eggs. I too noticed the beautiful teeth of Indians and having been massaging my gums with Vicco Vajradanti tooth powder (ayurvedic)on and off for years, as I saw so many doing in India every morning.

On a personal note, I just have to tell you that I often think of you with gratitude when I am eating my healthy NT foods, as you very kindly encouraged me so much in this way of life. I still have all the e-mails you sent me listing healthy foods and refer to it often. I eat all those now, but still struggle with my emotional/sugar addict behaviors when it comes to ice-cream!
As a matter of fact I am struggling with hives again but believe it may be the little bit of exposed mercury filling I have left in my mouth… to be taken care of soon.

Vida, I too am familiar with the modern day eating habits of some Indians…just like everyone else eating so much packaged crap full of veg oil and using cooking devices (hate microwaves!). During some of my visits in that part of the world I spent time in some remote villages that I accessed by bullock cart and found them living the old way. Unfortunately I wasn’t into WAP at the time and don’t know if I have the energy or time to go on that type of adventure again.

I’ve been following Matt and reading his blog for some time now. More recently I have come to understand his clear message (thru e-books & podcasts etc.) after wading thru so many blog posts when I first found him….thanks for clarifying his stance on protein for me.


Matt March 26, 2010 at 11:54 AM

Matt Stone is an interesting guy … I hope the enemies he is working on making don’t turn him off in too many folks’ eyes, because the more I read of his, the more important I find his message

Technical note, I’m working through the podcast now … hopefully future podcasts you can get a little more crisp and higher volume, as it’s pretty hard to hear in traffic.


Dawna Coxon March 31, 2010 at 2:12 PM

Just a comment on the sound… it was very difficult to hear. I have listened to other podcasts with no problems. I had the volume on your link turned all the way up and the volume on my computer turned all the way up and it was still hard to hear. Just thought you would like to know, maybe there is something you can do to fix it?


Geoffrey Dodd June 30, 2010 at 10:21 PM

Excellent educational info thanks, about factory (industrial) food and I believe our need to get back to whole, natural god-made foods! GD, Australia
.-= Geoffrey Dodd´s last blog ..Psychology and Sociology =-.


LeahS July 20, 2011 at 11:02 AM

downloading this!!!


Erin Pietrak February 7, 2012 at 9:32 AM

I downloaded the file but none of my media programs can open it. Says there is an error with file. And I tried to download again but it’s not working. I am very intrigued by this guy.


Pam March 7, 2012 at 6:42 AM

I tried to download as well by right clicking and “saving link as” on my PC. It only downloading 16k and when I tried to play that, it said the file type did not match the extension (mp3).

Hope this can be fixed as I would really like to listen…becoming a groupie :) Pam


Pam March 7, 2012 at 6:43 AM

I tried to download as well by right clicking and “saving link as” on my PC. It only downloaded 16k and when I tried to play that, it said the file type did not match the extension (mp3).

Hope this can be fixed as I would really like to listen…becoming a groupie :) Pam


Christina May 10, 2012 at 6:50 AM

I tried clicking on the link to download the mp3, but it said link cannot be found…can this be fixed? I would love to listen!


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