Q & A: June 26, 2011

by Ann Marie Michaels on June 26, 2011

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1. Question: Fructose in Kombucha and Water Kefir?

I’ve just been reading that the leftover sugars in water kefir and kombucha are mainly in the form of fructose. I’ve been trying to cut down on fructose. It is easy to get too much fructose from fruit and of course from processed foods. I’ve also read that glucose is easier for the body to metabolize than fructose which must be metabolized in the liver. Converting the sugars from glucose to fructose does not sound like a good thing. A lot of people are fructose intolerant. How do I know if these beverages are really good for me?

Thanks,
Diane

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I really don’t think you will have a problem if you are drinking kombucha and water kefir in moderation. I would have to look up the amount of fructose in kombucha but I don’t think they would rank among the foods highest in fructose: see this chart.

2. Question: E. Coli Threat in Raw Milk?

My boyfriend sent me this article today:
The Other E. Coli Threat? Raw Milk

I told him that E. coli isn’t as much an issue with grass fed healthy cows. Was I right in saying this? I know campylobacteria is common. Also the statistics on raw milk about 2 people dying — how does anyone know what quality of milk they drank?

CM

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Ugh, yes I saw that article. It is illogical; not based in fact.

If he’s right that we need to ban the sale of raw milk and juice, does this actually solve the problem of people getting sick and even dying from pathogenic bacteria in our food?

No, it does not. We know that we can get sick from contaminated raw spinach, from peanut butter, from all kinds of things. So what are you going to do? Pasteurize everything? Do we need to cook all of our salads? No, of course not, that’s preposterous.

But if pasteurization is the answer, that is the only way — we would have to pasteurize and irradiate everything.

What this guy also does not take into account is that our bodies need beneficial bacteria. Without the beneficial bacteria in our gut, the pathogenic bacteria takes over. Many people today have low numbers of good bacteria (thanks to antibiotics and the birth control pill, among other things). The only way to get more good bacteria is to take probiotics or to eat fermented foods like yogurt, kefir, raw milk, cheese, sour cream, real sauerkraut, etc. — click here for my kefir recipe; where to buy raw milk; where to buy cheese; where to buy sour cream

How are you going to get it if everything is pasteurized? You won’t.

OK let’s look at some of his arguments:

“Unpasteurized milk has a greater chance of being contaminated with disease-causing bacteria than pasteurized milk.”

Actually that is not true. Raw milk is actually safer than pasteurized milk. Read this article.

“However, this does not address the fundamental problem that raw milk could cause a massive E. coli outbreak within a single state.”

What he is not taking into account here is the factory farms where the animals are crowded and stand or lie in manure all day long. Compare this to small raw milk dairies where the cows and goats are allowed to roam on pasture. If you’ve ever visited a confinement dairy, and then gone to a grass-based dairy, there is no comparison.

If he’s worried about a massive E. coli outbreak, why point the finger at raw milk dairies? Why is he also not addressing the CAFOs?

“Proponents of raw food believe natural products are healthier. This is a myth.”

No source? It’s illogical to make a claim and not back it up with sources.

“In actuality, those who consume raw food, in particular unpasteurized milk and juice, are taking an unnecessary risk with their own health. Irresponsibly, they sometimes take risks with the health of their own children, whose bodies are often not strong enough to combat food-borne illnesses.”

Here is one point in which he’s actually correct. Many people today do not have bodies that are strong enough to combat food-borne illnesses. But why is that? I assert that it because they have a lack of good bacteria. Then answer then is to eat MORE fermented and probiotic foods. Like yogurt, sour cream, sauerkraut, and raw milk!

“Outbreaks from raw milk are relatively common. According to the FDA, 85 outbreaks of human infections occurred from 1998 to 2008. More than 1,600 people were infected during that time, and two people died. Outbreaks keep occurring to this day, with E. coli and campylobacter being the common culprits.”

In a 2003 USDA/FDA report:

Deli meats caused 515 times more illness from listeria than raw milk
Pasteurized milk caused 29 times more illness from listeria than raw milk

On a PER-SERVING BASIS, deli meats were TEN times more likely to cause illness than raw milk.

FDA: “Raw milk is inherently dangerous and should not be consumed”

Where are the FDA’s charges that deli meats are “inherently dangerous and should not be consumed? Where is the FDA’s exhortation to “everyone charged with protecting the publish health” to “prevent the sale of deli meats to consumers”?

In a response to a Freedom of Information request, the Centers for Disease Control provided data on raw milk outbreaks 1993-2005—a 23-year period.

In this report, CDC listed NO cases of foodborne illness from raw milk caused by listeria during the period. Source

I could go on but I won’t. This article is fundamentally illogical as the author makes statements he does not back up with facts. It’s a fear-mongering piece of garbage.

Please have your husband read The Untold Story of Milk, Revised and Updated: The History, Politics and Science of Nature’s Perfect Food: Raw Milk from Pasture-Fed Cows by Dr. Ron Schmid. Also take a look at this powerpoint. These two things convinced me that raw milk is completely safe.

3. Question: Raw Milk from Non-Grass Fed Cows?

Hello Ann Marie,

Is raw milk from non-grass fed cows better than pasteurized milk if that is all that I am able to buy?

I live in Arizona and was raised on raw milk from a local man who had a family cow and I really miss the fresh, raw milk and cream!

There is only one dairy I have been able to locate within 100 miles of my home that sells raw cow’s milk. From what I can see on their website their cows are kept in pens being fed cut and/or processed feed each day, with no time on pasture.

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and opinions each week,

Amber

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I would not buy raw milk from cows that are not on pasture. If I couldn’t find raw grass-fed milk, I personally would buy pasteurized grass-fed milk and only drink it as kefir or yogurt — and/or I would buy pasteurized (not ultra-pasteurized) grass-fed cream and water it down.

4. Question: What to do About Tooth Sensitivity?

Hi Ann Marie,

Another question – I went to the dentist this week and while I don’t have any decay, I have some extreme tooth sensitivity. My dentist is sending me to an endodontist for diagnosis and to see if a need “root canal therapy”. First off, a root canal sounds like something that would *cause* a need for therapy, and second off, my Dad told me to never ask my barber if I need a haircut, but whatever. My dentist took an x-ray and said that it looks like the parts that hold the root of my tooth in are inflamed. I know you have shared information before about curing dental infections, but what should I do with this?

Interestingly, when the sensitivity showed up about a year ago, I decided to start doing oil pulling with coconut oil, in the hopes of helping my gums from receding. It didn’t help at all with the sensitivity, but it cut WAY down on the frequent throat and ear infections I usually get. I got strep for the first time in a year and a half whereas normally I am sick a few times a year. That is off subject, but I thought you’d be interested.

Also, I really appreciate your supportive words last week.

-Jill

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I’m not a dentist so I can’t give you advice as to what to do. I can tell you though that I used to have tooth sensitivity. When I changed my diet to a traditional foods diet (lots of raw milk, grass-fed butter and cheese, bone broth, organ meats, seafood, and only sprouted or fermented grains in moderation, only soaked/dried nuts, beans and seeds, plus cod liver oil) my sensitivity went away in a matter of months. Perhaps you can try increasing the fat soluble activators in your diet and do your best to avoid phytic acid and other antinutrients. If you are eating a very nutrient-dense diet and still experiencing tooth sensitivity, you may want to look at your digestion and absorption.

5. Question: Diet Causing Me to Eat More Butter?

Hi,

I was just doing a random search on the internet about butter and happened to find your site. I have started eating paleo/primal. I have had no sugar or carb foods in two weeks.

However, lately I have been eating a TON of butter. I had not had butter in at least 5 years. I am normally dairy free. However, this past week, I have been eating at least 4 TBS of butter. Today I was eating it almost uncontrollably. I am not sure what is going on.

I fear that I am rapidly going to gain weight because of all of the butter. Overall, my diet has contained a lot of fat over these past two weeks. I am so frustrated. I feel I would have lost a lot of weight if it has not been for all of the butter. I also have extreme swelling and water retention so it is hard to gauge my weight loss progress.

Thanks so much!

Holly

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Honestly, 4 TBS of butter per day doesn’t sound like very much at all. Sally Fallon-Morell eats 4 tablespoons of butter just on her oatmeal for breakfast. According to this article, toddlers need 6 tablespoons of fat per day.

It sounds like you have been made to fear butter, like so many people have. Butter is one of the healthiest foods we can eat. It’s rich in fat soluble vitamins A, D & K2, particularly if it is made from cream from cows eating grass.

I also think, if you haven’t eaten any carbs in two weeks, it’s no wonder you are craving fat. We need a certain amount of carbohydrates in our diet. If you eat a lower carb diet, you will need to eat more fat. I personally think that eating a zero-carb diet is unhealthy. Even Dr. Atkins does not recommend that.

Lastly, butter does not make you gain weight if you are eating normal portions of food. If you’re overeating, that could be the problem. You can also actually stall weight loss by undereating. If you are restricting your calories too much, your metabolism slows down and you can’t lose weight.

I lost 15 pounds over the past few months by following The Four Hour Body. It’s a low-carb diet but one day a week, you eat whatever you want. Tim Ferris, the author, actually says that the binge day is necessary, particularly for women. He explains in the book that if you skip it, you won’t lose as much weight.

6. Question: Most Important Things to Focus on When Trying to Stay Healthy?

Hi AM,

I have a question for you. My daughter and I are moving to the Philippines this summer. I am looking at this as a great opportunity to revamp our diet. I know I can access organic produce there and the country doesn’t allow GMOs. I have inflammation issues and my daughter has an issue of never feeling satiated. I try to feed her as many real foods as possible but she is a sugar and carb-loving girl and her daycare/care givers are not supportive of my efforts.

I am fortunate to have a cook when I arrive which will be very helpful in my quest for better health. My question for you is where would you start? What do you consider the most important things to focus on (food-wise) when trying to stay healthy? I am thinking no processed foods would be number one but what else would you consider important?

Thanks so much!
Laura

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How lucky are you, getting a cook! I think it would be awesome to live in the Philippines. They have lots of coconut oil, coconut milk, and great seafood. You should be able to eat really well there.

I would concentrate getting the following 4 food groups into your diet:

1. Lots of seafood, especially shellfish and fish eggs — where to buy seafood
2. Coconut milk and coconut oil, and other healthy fats (depends on what they have there that is good) — where to buy coconut milk; where to buy coconut oil and fats
3. Fermented foods like fermented fish sauce (similar to soy sauce and very common in Asia), fermented coconut milk and fe rmented coconut water, and fermented vegetables — click here for my recipe
4. Bone broth – in the form of chicken stock, beef stock or fish stock — click here for my chicken stock recipe; click here for my beef stock recipe; click here for my fish stock recipe

If you have good sources of pastured meats, organ meats and eggs over there by all means, include those too.

I would also supplement with fermented cod liver oil. If you can, buy some before you go and take it with you.

If you like to eat rice, see if you can get brown rice and soak it for several hours prior to eating if possible. I use the same water to soak my rice over and over again — see this article for how to soak rice.

7. Question: Resolving Swollen Tonsils with GAPS diet?

My 4 year old daughter has swollen tonsils and has had them for years. The doctors suggest having them removed….of course. We are doing the GAPS diet,and it has helped some but it has not resolved the issue completely. Do you have any other suggestions or anything else to do with the diet that might help.

Also, do you know what exactly causes swollen tonsils?

Thanks,
Lisa

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Hi, Lisa,

It sounds like you are on the right track with the GAPS diet.

According to Dr. Raymond Silkman, DDS ( he is my dentist here in L.A.):

The soft tissues of the body grow to their genetic size, even when the bony structures do not. The skin, the tongue, the tonsils and the nasal tissues grow to their genetic size but when the nutrition is missing, the bony structures are compromised. So the face will have an excess of skin and musculature, the tongue and tonsils will be too large for the mouth.

Other structures that can affect the airways further back in the throat area or the pharyngeal airway space are the tonsils and adenoids. About 85 percent of the children I see in my practice have extremely large tonsils and do you think they can breathe very well? It is not possible to breathe very well when tonsils, which are typically supposed to be almost unnoticeable, are so inflamed that they are almost touching and practically closing off the airway in the back of the throat, right where air is supposed to pass on its journey towards the lungs.

These structures also become swollen due to food allergies, especially allergies to pasteurized dairy. Every time I’ve had a kid and a mom convinced that they should stop everything pasteurized and processed and then eventually go to raw dairy products I have seen some reduction in tonsillar size, although this doesn’t happen overnight.

(Interestingly, I have had two cases of children who stopped having epileptic seizures as soon as they had their extremely massive tonsils taken out. Please note that I usually do not recommend removal of organs and body parts.) Source

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 5:32 AM

Wow, Dr. Raymond Silkman’s article is kind of scary. It is no wonder I see lots of people with teeth marks on their tongues when they open their mouths. It is also scary that some people my age (I’m 19 1/2 years old) are already showing up wrinkles on their foreheads. I always wondered why people thought I looked so young for my age, but now I can see the reason why. I am wrinkle-free just like people my age should be. I even see lots of people in their 30s who could actually pass for a 50 year old.

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 9:02 AM

Yeah, it’s really interesting.

I’m about to turn 43 and people always tell me I look like I’m 10 years younger. I think it’s partly my bone structure (I didn’t need braces. I have some crowding; had to have wisdom teeth out, but my palate is pretty wide) and partly the amount of liver, butter and broth I grew up eating.

The best thing you can do to prevent and reverse wrinkles is to eat lots of good quality fats and bone broth. The collagen is what gives you beautiful skin (helps to prevent and reverse cellulite too).

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 9:05 AM

Yep, I’m definitely going to continue eating lots of goods fats and bone broth.

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FarmerKimberly July 10, 2011 at 8:10 AM

I am not as lucky as you to have had a healthy diet of liver, butter, and broth growing up. Can I reverse the damage done by growing up on processed foods? I am older than you.

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Erica July 10, 2011 at 8:24 AM

Hi FarmerKimberly,

Did you ever needed braces before?

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Erica July 22, 2011 at 6:58 PM

Hi FarmerKimberly,

Most people these days aren’t so lucky either. However, I most certainly believe you can reverse the damage done from growing up on processed food. I’ve heard that some people even had their teeth straightened out when they consumed a nutrient dense diet for quite sometime, and they were adults. Here is an example of one individual who had witnessed some changes to her palate. She stated this in the comments section of Ann Marie’s post, “How to Cure Tooth Decay with Rami Nagel:”

“Oh, I actually feel a bit better then. My teeth are great, and like I mentioned on twitter a few weeks back, I do swear some are straightening. While I do sandwiches during the week for work lunch, they are always raw braunschweigher with a liberal amount of butter and cheese (and a lacto-fermented picke on the side). Morning oatmeal is soaked in water and whey for about 10 hours on average. Plus, my bread is whole wheat at least and always 24 hour ferment.”

When you give your body nutrient dense food, it will ultimately function at its best. Kim, people were even healed from cancer and so many other diseases with this type of diet. You can and WILL be healthy when you eat the nourishing foods that your Creator has given to you.

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Heather June 26, 2011 at 5:48 AM

If Holly is eating Paleo/Primal it is possible she mis-worded her statement about the carbs. My understanding is that all of the leading Paleo and Primal advocates suggest eating a lot of vegetables and moderate fruit. While this would still be lower carb it wouldn’t be no carb. Since I’ve been eating Paleo I’m eating more carbs than typical low carb diets, but the sources are more in line with GAPS types protocols. As to the fat consumption, Dr. Eades recently did two blog posts on adapting to a low carb diet. The first part focused on fat consumption and explained fairly well why increased fat consumption is not only normal when adapting to lower carb diets but actually important.

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Soli @ I Believe In Butter June 26, 2011 at 6:01 AM

To further address Holly’s query: when I started eating liverwurst/braunschweiger on a regular basis I found I was having major cravings for butter and couldn’t get enough of it. I suspect it was my body needing more fat and K2 to properly take in the fat-soluble vitamins.

Besides, I can’t find any sort of quarrel with anyone who wants to eat a lot of butter. *grins*

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 6:07 AM

Hi Soli,

Do you believe in butter? :)

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Soli @ I Believe In Butter June 26, 2011 at 6:09 AM

Erica,

Why yes, I do indeed. Butter is a glorious food.

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 6:11 AM

LOL, I had to ask it because your blog name is “I believe in Butter.” :)

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WordVixen June 27, 2011 at 12:55 PM

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 9:04 AM

Oh that’s interesting Soli. And it does make sense! Maybe Holly is eating more organ meats?

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Soli @ I Believe In Butter June 26, 2011 at 10:46 AM

or possibly dark leafy greens? I know if I eat them I COVER them in butter or olive oil.

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 8:16 PM

Leafy greens contain vitamin K but not vitamin K2.

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 6:14 AM

Hi Cheeseslave,

Do you know if fish stock from non-oily fishy can go rancid quickly?

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Fish stock doesn’t last as long as beef or chicken stock. You can keep it in the fridge for a few days, maybe up to a week. That said, you can just re-boil it. I personally like to freeze my stocks within a day or two after I make them.

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Meagan June 26, 2011 at 6:33 AM

Ron Schmidt’s book is fantastic. I am not all the way through it yet, but it’s teaching me SO much on every page!

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Evelyn June 26, 2011 at 8:32 AM

On the swollen/inflamed tonsils question Kelly the Kitchen Cop recently had a post asking readers about suggestions for preventing/healing from constant ear infections/swollen tonsils etc to avoid surgery and there were lots of good suggestions in the comments. Anyone dealing with this issue may want to check it out….

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 9:06 AM

Do you have the link?

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Soli @ I Believe In Butter June 26, 2011 at 10:45 AM
Lanise June 26, 2011 at 8:41 AM

I am also in the Phoenix area and there is only one dairy in the whole metro area that sells raw milk, so I’m assuming it’s the same dairy that Amber is referring to. We get our milk from them and have for about a year. Yes, their cows are not out on open pasture like is the case with many other areas of the country, but my understanding is that is because of the harsh desert environment that we live in. I believe that when you have one or two cows you can grow enough grass to feed them, but when you have a herd you just can’t grow enough grass in the desert to feed them on pasture. So, they are feed organic alfalfa and other grasses. Also, the cows are not kept in confinement. Here is a direct quote from their website about what they are and are not feeding their cows:

“Our cows are fed a completely organic diet of alfalfa hay, barley and other occasional additions as directed by a nutritionist who determines when they need dietary changes. We never use pesticides, herbicides, harsh chemicals or synthetic fertilizers”

I know the owner of the dairy is a big advocate of Weston A Price and WAPF and raw milk in general. I would encourage Amber to call and talk with the owner of the dairy to find out for sure what the cows are being fed and go out to see the dairy if necessary. Maybe there are others from the Phoenix area that also buy their milk or get it from another source that they would like to share.

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 9:08 AM

Thank you so much, Lanise. That makes a lot of sense! I agree, Amber should call them.

One thing I always recommend is to plug in to your local WAPF chapter and find out where the chapter leaders buy their food.

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 12:01 PM

Hi Cheeseslave,

Is it fine to refreeze thawed meat that has been previously frozen?

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 6:08 PM

Yes

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Julie D. June 26, 2011 at 10:47 PM

only if it was defrosted in the refrigerator.

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tessag July 4, 2011 at 7:10 PM

Good to know,

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ofthec July 6, 2011 at 2:06 AM

Just curious as to why this would matter?

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Erica July 10, 2011 at 8:23 AM

Hi Ofthec,

I’ve hear quite a bit of controversy over this issue. Some say that refreezing meat can damage the quality of the meat, including the proteins. However, I highly doubt this.

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lisa June 26, 2011 at 1:51 PM

I am the one with the 4 year old with enlarged tonsils (or maybe they aren’t enlarged, the rest of her is just too small). Since the Gaps diet, the red swollen part has went down so I am wondering if this is just this just the size they are suppossed to be. So if that’s the case, should they be removed to help her breathe better? I went to the ortho to see about correcting her bite and they said the tonsils were causing her too mouth breath and messing her arch and bite up. I am not wanting to get them removed, but I am beginning to think that it may not be able to be fixed with diet.

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 2:25 PM

Hi Lisa,

I do believe her mouth can expand since she is still growing. For her diet, I would put a great emphasis on organ meats, eggs, grass-fed butter (if tolerated), shellfish, and other special foods. Continue with the GAPS diet as this will assist her in the ability to assimilate critical nutrients for growth.

Mouth breathing is a sign that the palate is very small. Her tonsils may be perfectly fine, but her mouth may be too small to house them. I wouldn’t take out her tonsils if they are perfectly healthy. It isn’t the tonsils that is the problem, but her small palate. I would give it a year or two on a nutrient dense diet to notice if there are any signs of expansion going on in her palate. There should be as I have heard many testimonials of people a lot older than her but still young having quite a bit of expansion to the point where they didn’t even need a palatal expander or braces anymore. If you have seen absolutely no signs of expansion in the palate, then I recommend a palatal expander directed by a good orthodontist. Just keep a close eye every 2 weeks or so to see if her palate is slowly expanding.

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Julia June 26, 2011 at 3:58 PM

Sarah the healthy home economist had this article about root canals recently on her website. http://www.thehealthyhomeeconomist.com/2011/06/save-a-damaged-tooth-with-no-root-canal/

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Annie June 26, 2011 at 4:45 PM

Hi. I was wondering if you know whether one’s palate can widen as an adult through nutrition. My wisdom teeth are coming out and I’m concerned whether they would be impacted. Thank you in advance.

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 5:18 PM

Hi Annie,

How old are you? My wisdom teeth haven’t come in yet and I’m 19 1/2.

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Annie June 26, 2011 at 7:41 PM

Hi Erica,

I’m 21, about to turn 22.

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Erica June 27, 2011 at 4:17 AM

Hi Annie,

I know a woman who has the smallest mouth that I had ever seen. She has all of her teeth, including the third molars. She said that when they started coming, they did feel a little uncomfortable for nearly two years. However, all of her third molars eventually managed to fit properly with no crowding.

I have read from a study stating that our jaws continue to grow until all of our teeth have come in, including our wisdom teeth. Your wisdom teeth may bother you for a while if you have a small mouth. However, I believe they will straighten out on their own within the next two years. If they don’t, then I wouldn’t remove them if they are healthy teeth. I would just get a palatal expansion or braces that allow the palate to expand, like the Damon system.

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Erica June 27, 2011 at 7:40 AM

Also,

Annie, try to focus on a nutrient dense diet. People can still grow even in their early to mid twenties, and this may even include the jaw to make room for the wisdom teeth.. I know a friend of mine who grew in her early twenties, and didn’t grow much during her teen years.

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Amy Love@Real Food Whole Health June 27, 2011 at 6:57 AM

Hey Erica! I didn’t have a wisdom tooth come in until I was 25. I had to have that one removed, but the others still haven’t come in- 5 years later :) I think sometimes they do and sometimes they don’t. I decided to only have them taken out if they become a problem, rather than have preventative surgery to remove them.

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Erica June 27, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Hi Amy Love,

Love the last name! I know a 32 year old woman with wisdom teeth that are just starting to come in. I believe her friend told me that she knows a few people who even got their wisdom teeth in their 40s and early 50s, too. That’s great that you have decided to take them out only when there is a problem.

My father, who has a wide palate, got his taken out just because the Orthodontist said so. This was probably 20-30 years ago when most wisdom teeth were pulled, and it didn’t matter if you had enough room for them. Pulling wisdom teeth was basicly the norm back then. My father grew up on traditional foods, and had enough room for all of his teeth. The Orthodontist must have needed the extra money for an expensive car payment :)

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lisa June 26, 2011 at 5:56 PM

Okay, thanks. That is the way I was going but the ortho acted like the tonsils were causing the mouth breathing which was causing the narrow palate. They acted like the tonsils were the source of it all.

Thanks again for all of your help!

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Erica June 26, 2011 at 6:14 PM

Hi Lisa,

There are not too many good orthodontists out there. Most only look at the teeth. They often don’t see the overall facial structure and how it interacts with the teeth. The tonsils don’t seem to be the source of the problem. The tissues and organs will continue to grow to their full potential whether the bone structure provides enough room or not. I would not take the tonsils out.

I would focus more on trying to widen the palate. As emphasized earlier, allow her to consume lots of nutrient dense foods. If there is absolutely no signs of expansion by the age of 7, then go for the palatal expansion. But, that may even be too early since she will continue to grow rapidly way into puberty. Here is an example of a natural palatal expansion through a nutrient dense diet from a 12 year old. This was assessed by Stanley Fisherman in the comments section of http://hartkeisonline.com/natural-health/how-to-grow-straight-teeth-naturally/:

“Great posts.! I wanr ro share a tue story. There was a 12 year old boy, who had grown up on SAD. He had a narriw face, and his teeth were crowded together. A couple of his teeth had no room to come out. The dentist wanted to do oral surgery followed by braces. The boy did not want this. His parents were learning about the WAPF dier. A deal was struck.

The boy gave up candy. soda, and all junk food.. He took cod liver oil. He ate real milk, raw cheese, grassfed meat, pastured butter, grassfed beef tallow, real lard. He drank a pint of bone broth every day.

Three years passed. Everyone of his friends had braces. the boy’s mouth and face widened. The teeth came out perfectly. All of his teeth straightened out, and became nicely spaced. Dental work? None.”

Can your daughter expand her palate through diet alone? Yes, I believe she can!

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cheeseslave June 26, 2011 at 8:26 PM

@Erica

What a wonderfully written comment! I could not have said it better. Nutrient-dense food is miraculous!

PS: I heart Stanley Fishman and Kimberly Hartke!

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Erica June 27, 2011 at 4:19 AM

Thanks! I heart Stanley Fishman and Kimberly Hartke, too!

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Bonny June 26, 2011 at 11:11 PM

I am almost finished reading “The Untold Story of Milk” and I just wrote on Facebook today that I think it should be required reading for everyone! So informative. I am so much more positive after reading it that raw milk is definitely the way to go!

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cheeseslave June 27, 2011 at 6:07 AM

I agree, Bonny. I think anyone who has any questions about raw milk should read that book.

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Erica June 27, 2011 at 6:10 AM

Hi Cheeseslave,

Another random question, lol! What do you think about food grade Diatomaceous Earth:

http://www.westonaprice.org/environmental-toxins/1447-mad-as-a-hatter

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cheeseslave June 27, 2011 at 7:15 AM

Are you trying to detox heavy metals?

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Erica June 27, 2011 at 7:22 AM

Hi Cheeseslave,

Yes, I am. I’m only guessing, but since I had anorexia and was eating a low-fat diet for nearly 4 years, I probably do have some heavy metals stored in me. I also drank soy milk for nearly 4-5 months before I found the WAPF.

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Erica June 27, 2011 at 7:22 PM

Ann Marie,

Do you think it is fine to take diatomaceous earth?

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Kim June 27, 2011 at 12:20 PM

Amber (from question #3)
I too live in AZ and I know which dairy you are referring to. I get my raw milk from them weekly. I would encourage you to call the phone number listed on the website to speak with the owner of the dairy. Their cows are fed a 100% organic diet of alfalfa, hay and grasses which are trucked in to them. They do have limited space so they are not pastured out on acres and acres of grasslands. This is afterall, Arizona. The cows are outdoors and in the sunlight. They are not penned or confined. They even have misting systems to help keep their cows more comfortable in this heat. Additionally, the cows are even supplimented with probiotics. The owner is very aware of the evils of corn, GMO’s and confinement. She is passionate about raw milk and it’s benefits. This is NOT some CAFO farmer just trying to make a buck by cashing in on the raw milk revolution. The milk is incredible and always super, super fresh. It is the only milk we buy and I feel completely safe and confident in giving it to my children. Please call Jackie so that she can answer your questions about her dairy. I promise you will not be disappointed.

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Naomi Snider June 27, 2011 at 4:24 PM

I, too, am concerned about non-grassfed milk. I’m in North Carolina and have been purchasing “pet milk” from a dairy within 30 minutes of my home. I know he does not grass feed the cows (he is horrified at the thought of them eating grass, might make the milk taste funny). They sell their milk commercially. The only other way I can get raw milk is to drive 250 miles to another state and pay premium prices. On social security benefits, we cannot afford to pay that, so I have been happy to have my raw pet milk at $3 per gallon, although lately I have not been getting the milk. Do you think it is better to just not drink milk at all than to drink this milk? I CAN purchase pasteurized cream locally (not ultra-p.) and have been doing so. It’s about $10 per half gallon.

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Erica July 4, 2011 at 11:19 AM

Hi Naomi Snider,

Is the pet milk from pasture raised animals who are treated fairly? If so, then I would go for it. You don’t necessarily need to drink milk. You can get minerals from bone broth, egg shells, dolomite mineral powder, etc. If you are able to obtain truly raw cheese, then that would be great too. Pasteurized cream and butter are fine to consume, but make sure that you are getting raw fats from other sources, like raw egg yolks.

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el June 29, 2011 at 11:10 AM

Hi – love the blog I am new to this and have heard the cod is an endangered fish. This being the case are there alternatives? What do we do?
Plus can you give me an idea of how long raw dairy products will keep in the refridgerator?
Thanks, El

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el June 29, 2011 at 11:11 AM

opps I think I submitted my question in the wrong place !

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Jill C June 30, 2011 at 3:52 PM

Thank you! I saw the endodontist today and had the best possible outcome – she did not recommend a root canal, but rather the replacement of a filling which is one of my amalgam ones anyway – fine with me!

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cheeseslave June 30, 2011 at 4:08 PM

Hooray!

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Bethany July 2, 2011 at 5:51 AM

I liked your answer about butter, ever since you said that 4 tbs a day was not that much I have upped my butter consumption, I put it on everything now… lol. My daughter likes to it is plain, which given my history as a vegan was a bit shocking at first, but now I let her eat as much as she wants !!!

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paisley July 2, 2011 at 7:49 PM

There is no such thing as too much butter. Yum!

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Erica July 10, 2011 at 8:25 AM

I know! Butter is just too amazing and yummy!

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kirstenmichelle July 3, 2011 at 9:24 AM

I so need to find a resource for raw milk. I don’t love milk, but I adore cream…and maybe raw milk would taste less like…yuck. I’m actually visiting a farm on Wed. We shall see! Finding all this new stuff out is so fun for me. Again let me thank you and your Real Foodies for helping us noobs. :O)

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leighann July 5, 2011 at 8:22 PM

Thank you so much for answering #6! I’ve been wondering the same thing for a while.

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